wrangletangle: a lamppost in black and white (Default)
2018-10-28 11:17 pm

On Ambiguity

You, posting your work to AO3: These tags are excellent, they are super-clear about exactly what I mean, and no one will ever be confused about my intent.

Me, a Tag Wrangler receiving your tags through the wrangulator: ACTUally-

#listen sometimes i stare at people's works for like 5 whole minutes #and still can't figure it out #if you use characters' full names in tags please know i love you

[tumblr.com profile] lurking-lucifer said: The Tumblr tags specify using characters’ full names.

This is honestly never something I considered before, but I’m guessing that - a lot of the time - tag wranglers probably see tags to organise/sort independent of the work itself, so it could prove confusing to see say “Human Peter” or “Mutant Keith” … the names are so common that it could belong to dozens of fandoms, with no guarantee the wrangler is a part of those fandoms either.

When writing character tags, it’s worth bearing in mind.

Not only will it make things easier for volunteers, but it’ll likely have the added benefit of increasing your audience, too, as people will have a more specific tag to search and use in place of one that could apply to several characters. After all, nothing more irritating than searching for x and finding y!


This is correct, except it’s not “a lot of the time” - it’s every time! We have to make an extra effort to go to an individual work to see the tag in context. Otherwise, all tags arrive to us without context. And if we’re wrangling hundreds of tags a day, we’re just never going to have time to check the works on all tags.

Even worse, “Human Peter” can (and has) been used by multiple people to mean different Peters. We can’t edit tags, so we can’t fix that. The tag will simply become unuseable. Human Peter Hale or Human Peter Quill, those are wrangleable tags! Human Peter, not so much.

This post explains the Peter problem in detail. (This one is funnier and shows the problem visually.) This post shows how the wrangulator works on the back end. And this post suggests how to make life easier for tag wranglers in general.

If anyone has questions about how tags work or needs help with deciding how to tag, my asks are open!
wrangletangle: a lamppost in black and white (Default)
2018-08-11 11:27 pm

Naked Peter Problem

Tags "confident peter quill" and "sensitive peter quill"

[Description: Screenshot of the tags “confident peter quill” and “sensitive peter quill” from the tag wrangling interface on Archive of Our Own.]

I love this user so much. Why do I love this user? Because even without suggestions in the autocomplete for these words, they understood the fundamental problem of Too Many Peters.

Listen y’all, there aren’t just 2 Peters, or 3. There are 56 characters named Peter in Marvel alone. There are over 580 Peters on AO3 right now. Wranglers bust our butts trying to get you the tags you need in the autocomplete, but we can’t do that without some help from you.

Tell us who you mean. Not in the notes, not in some of the tags, but in. Every. Single. Tag. Any Peter without a family name or fandom added in that same tag is a naked Peter. Don’t let your Peters go naked! Please, we’re working here!

That goes for literally every other name on the archive, too. If I had a dollar for every naked Erik we get…. no, honestly, you couldn’t pay me to deal with the naked Eriks. They are the biggest pita. Get some family names on those Eriks! (or a Phantom disambig)

Seriously, please don’t make us dig up clothes for your peeps. No matter what category they’re in, please give them to us already dressed. From the bottom of my heart to everyone who does this: thank you!

#no more naked peters