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2013-01-13 09:45 pm

[sticky entry] Sticky: Welcome!

Welcome to Wrangle Tangle! I'll be talking about AO3 tag wrangling, some silly things, some serious, mostly freeforms because that's my playground. This is a completely unofficial blog. My goal is to help folks understand and appreciate tagging on AO3, and hopefully to feel comfortable tagging their own works and searching for what they want. If you have any questions at all, leave a comment on any post.

(Note: This journal began life as a Tumblr outreach blog. These entries are copies of the ones I posted to Tumblr, often with follow-up notes about conversations or results of posts. These are labelled "ETA", even though the posts on DW and LJ are not technically being edited.)

Comments on this sticky post are screened, and I will reply to them screened, unless they are anon or you tell me it's okay to unscreen them.
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2018-12-04 06:35 pm

AO3 Recs Comment Fest (running through December 18)

For a break from mindlessly reposting from Tumblr, I'd like to take a moment to celebrate AO3's deeply inclusive content policy.

If you feel so inclined, please drop links to some of your favorite fanworks on AO3. They don't have to be NSFW. Any fandom, any genre, just things you enjoy.

For extra salt, I'm encouraging everyone to feel free to keep posting here through December 18. Fandom doesn't stop even if Tumblr implodes.
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2018-10-28 11:17 pm

On Ambiguity

You, posting your work to AO3: These tags are excellent, they are super-clear about exactly what I mean, and no one will ever be confused about my intent.

Me, a Tag Wrangler receiving your tags through the wrangulator: ACTUally-

#listen sometimes i stare at people's works for like 5 whole minutes #and still can't figure it out #if you use characters' full names in tags please know i love you

[tumblr.com profile] lurking-lucifer said: The Tumblr tags specify using characters’ full names.

This is honestly never something I considered before, but I’m guessing that - a lot of the time - tag wranglers probably see tags to organise/sort independent of the work itself, so it could prove confusing to see say “Human Peter” or “Mutant Keith” … the names are so common that it could belong to dozens of fandoms, with no guarantee the wrangler is a part of those fandoms either.

When writing character tags, it’s worth bearing in mind.

Not only will it make things easier for volunteers, but it’ll likely have the added benefit of increasing your audience, too, as people will have a more specific tag to search and use in place of one that could apply to several characters. After all, nothing more irritating than searching for x and finding y!


This is correct, except it’s not “a lot of the time” - it’s every time! We have to make an extra effort to go to an individual work to see the tag in context. Otherwise, all tags arrive to us without context. And if we’re wrangling hundreds of tags a day, we’re just never going to have time to check the works on all tags.

Even worse, “Human Peter” can (and has) been used by multiple people to mean different Peters. We can’t edit tags, so we can’t fix that. The tag will simply become unuseable. Human Peter Hale or Human Peter Quill, those are wrangleable tags! Human Peter, not so much.

This post explains the Peter problem in detail. (This one is funnier and shows the problem visually.) This post shows how the wrangulator works on the back end. And this post suggests how to make life easier for tag wranglers in general.

If anyone has questions about how tags work or needs help with deciding how to tag, my asks are open!
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2018-08-11 11:27 pm

Naked Peter Problem

Tags "confident peter quill" and "sensitive peter quill"

[Description: Screenshot of the tags “confident peter quill” and “sensitive peter quill” from the tag wrangling interface on Archive of Our Own.]

I love this user so much. Why do I love this user? Because even without suggestions in the autocomplete for these words, they understood the fundamental problem of Too Many Peters.

Listen y’all, there aren’t just 2 Peters, or 3. There are 56 characters named Peter in Marvel alone. There are over 580 Peters on AO3 right now. Wranglers bust our butts trying to get you the tags you need in the autocomplete, but we can’t do that without some help from you.

Tell us who you mean. Not in the notes, not in some of the tags, but in. Every. Single. Tag. Any Peter without a family name or fandom added in that same tag is a naked Peter. Don’t let your Peters go naked! Please, we’re working here!

That goes for literally every other name on the archive, too. If I had a dollar for every naked Erik we get…. no, honestly, you couldn’t pay me to deal with the naked Eriks. They are the biggest pita. Get some family names on those Eriks! (or a Phantom disambig)

Seriously, please don’t make us dig up clothes for your peeps. No matter what category they’re in, please give them to us already dressed. From the bottom of my heart to everyone who does this: thank you!

#no more naked peters
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2018-07-04 11:29 pm

don't be mean to the tag wranglers

[tumblr.com profile] ao3tagoftheday[Image Description: Tag reading “don’t be mean to the tag wranglers”]

The AO3 Tag of the Day is: Seriously though


#we love you tag wranglers!

Aw, this is so sweet! Thank you! <3

Being kind to tag wranglers in one’s tagging is a little different than most people might expect on first glance. Here’s a list of things that are hard or easy to wrangle, and here’s an explanation of why sarcasm or irony in tags doesn’t work out well (please save it for your summary or notes). You can also be a pro at tagging OCs, remember to be unambiguous (in fandoms and in character names, regardless of category), and separate your RPF from your FPF and your platonic ships from your romantic/sexual/pining ships. All of these things are kindnesses we really appreciate, often even pointing them out to each other with hearteyes.

We’re wrangling around 200K tags a month right now - we need all the kindness we can get! (And so do the coders!)
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2017-01-10 11:40 pm

A Small Suggestion

Hey guys, an AO3 tag wrangler here with a small suggestion for making the lives of wranglers and the Abuse volunteers and all your fellow users a little easier. You know that impulse to post a “PROMPT ME, I WILL TAKE ANY OF THESE 50 SHIPS IN 30 FANDOMS” work?

Please don’t. These make everyone cry.

Look at all those fandoms and ship tags… that this work doesn’t apply to! Look at the fact that this isn’t even a work yet! Look at all those tags you’re asking wranglers to wrangle, usually not the existing canonicals, that appear in the bins of 30 different wrangling teams, flooding the smaller teams and annoying the big ones! Look at the Abuse volunteers getting 3 reports for your work in the first day and having to talk to you and reply to each of those people!

I have a better suggestion: personal prompt meme.

Aw yeah, AO3 has prompt memes and allows personal collections! Imagine your personal prompt collection:

  • Control when it’s open and closed!

  • Post a link in the notes of all your works!

  • Post a link on your blog and your AO3 profile!

  • Post the things you’ll accept in the Rules/FAQ section of the collection!

  • Use claims or gifts to notify the prompter when you’ve posted a work for their prompt!

  • Easily delete prompts that don’t follow your rules!

  • Post each work separately and gift each one to the prompter to build relationships and encourage interest from new fans who just noticed your work!


So much control, so much useful organization, so many fewer frustrated users finding a work with two chapters, neither of which applies to most of the relationships or fandoms tags. Why burn your bridges with some users when you’re trying for positive attention for your works?

Just imagine it: “[YourName]′s Personal Prompt Meme*”. Your name on a collection on AO3. All for you.

Let’s make this a thing, yeah?
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2013-04-04 11:11 pm

These are a few of my favorite things…

Wrangling Tool links
Instead of Mass Wrangle,
No more sad buttons
For tools that were broken,
Paging through unsorted
Tags with such ease,
These are a few of my favorite things!

Link to my wrangling
From the top toolbar,
Search that returns
Without Error 500,
Sleeker bin pages and
Errors with links,
These are a few of my favorite things!

Now if only my bins hadn’t decided to sprout overnight like over-excited mushrooms….

#screw it i just woke up #this is how i express my thanks to coders and systems #because internet cookies are still virtual and therefore less tasty
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2013-04-02 11:10 pm
Entry tags:

For all those panicking at the AO3 downtime tomorrow…

…a friendly reminder that AO3 has download capability! Take a few moments to figure out what you’d like to read for the couple of hours the site will be down and download them. If you download more than you can read in 2 hours, you’ll have extra in case something’s not what you were looking for.

And while you’re waiting, you can think about all the lovely back-end changes that will help your friendly neighborhood wranglers. \o/
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2013-03-29 11:08 pm

Found Tag

Phil Coulson/Captain America Suit

Some days you’re just tootling along, wrangling your own business, when BAM! A tag completely redefines everything you thought you knew about a kink.

SUIT PORN. I was never tempted until this moment.
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2013-03-26 11:04 pm

Found Tags

A list of bookmark tags

When I wrangle bookmark tags, I like to play “guess which work that’s attached to.” I’m pretty sure I got this whole set. Can you?
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2013-03-25 10:57 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #7: Tag Search

Did you know that… you can use the tag search on AO3 to find all the relationship or freeform tags relating to your favorite character, just by typing in their name and choosing “Relationships” or “Freeforms” from the menu? You can even decide if you want ALL THE TAGS or just canonicals.

#search is speedy
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2013-03-24 10:55 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #6: Ambiguous Fandoms

Did you know that… “The Avengers - Ambiguous Fandom” and “Avengers - Fandom” tags on AO3 are ambiguous because there’s another, unrelated British TV show called “The Avengers”? And because of the Avengers comics and EMH?

#ambiguous fandoms are ambiguous for everyone, #including the people you want to have find your work, #‘Avengers’ doesn’t just mean the Marvel movie
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2013-03-23 10:54 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #5: View Entire Work

Did you know that… you can set yourself to always see entire works on AO3 whenever you’re logged in? Just go to your user page, select “Preferences”, scroll down to “Display”, check “Show whole work by default”, and press “Update”.

#no more panic when you can’t get that last chapter to load
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2013-03-22 10:52 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #4: Non-Canonical Fandom Tags

Did you know that… if you tag your work on AO3 with a non-canonical fandom tag when a canonical tag already exists for that fandom, your other tags are invisible to your wranglers? They usually get found anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months later in the mass bins.

#in your interest to tag with canonical fandoms, #if you want your tags wrangled sooner
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2013-03-21 10:50 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #3: Character limit

Did you know that… the maximum number of characters per tag (including spaces) is 100?

#try entering your favorite ot8 relationship and see
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2013-03-20 10:30 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #2: Tag Subtraction (the old way)

Subtracting a tag from search results on AO3

Did you know that… you can exclude tags from your searches by entering -“Tag Name” in the “Search Within Results” box in the filters?

#this won’t work on other versions of the tag #but you can exclude several tags if you need to

ETA April 8: Some have suggested that simply ticking the fandoms, characters, relationships, etc. that you want in the filters will remove other, undesired tags. THIS IS NOT CORRECT. It will limit results to works containing the desired tags, but undesired tags can still be mixed into those results. The checkboxes are an AND search, not a NOT search.
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2013-03-20 10:24 pm

Found Tag

A freeform tag landing page on AO3

Ask and ye shall receive… (though really, you don’t actually have to ask, you just have to tag with it.)

[First image text: “why isn’t Bucky Bear a recognized character tag?” This tag belongs to the Additional Tags Category. Parent tags (more general): A-Babies Vs. X-Babies]

[Second image text: Tag Name: “Bucky Bear”, Canonical: Yes, Created: 2013-03-17, Taggings: 1]
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2013-03-19 10:20 pm

Secrets of the Wrangulator #1: Invitations

Did you know that… there are 140,000+ accounts on AO3 as I post this, and hundreds being added every day?

#if you’re on the waiting list and <1000th in line, #you’ll get your invite within a couple of days
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2013-03-18 10:19 pm

A shift in Norse-Marvel relations(hips)

PSA: The Marvel relationships that include only Norse-based characters have switched tags on AO3. Some of them were originally entered as “Character A (Marvel)/Character B (Marvel)”, but that didn’t follow guidelines. They’re now “Character A/Character B (Marvel)” to match other fandoms with similar cases.

Examples:
- Loki (Marvel)/Thor (Marvel), now -> Loki/Thor (Marvel)
- Loki (Marvel)/Sif (Marvel), now -> Loki/Sif (Marvel)

Tags that have not changed, because at least one character is clearly part of Marvel-verse:
- Jane Foster/Thor
- Loki/Tony Stark
- Phil Coulson/Sif
- Fandral/Hogun/Sif/Volstagg

I’m announcing this because the autocomplete has dropped the (Marvel) tags back down below the generic, shared tags, and I don’t want Marvel folks to get confused! If you have questions, drop me an ask.
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2013-03-18 10:15 pm
Entry tags:

Found Tag

A freeform tag

I had 110 freeform tags to wrangle in MCU alone last night, but this one made me pause and grin. Best tag all night.
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2013-03-12 11:36 pm

How to block tag categories you don't want to see on AO3

ETA: This post is outdated. AO3 coders have implemented full exclusion filters. Yay!

Since someone just asked, I thought I'd post this more broadly.

Blocking categories of tags on AO3 is actually quite easy. You don't even need to know CSS, because other people have already written the code. You can block a single category of tags or all tag categories very easily. With only a couple minutes' work, you can also block any combination of tag categories.

ExpandBlocking a single category )

ExpandBlocking multiple categories )